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Great idea to have the two authors interview each other.

I agree on the righteousness angle. Our myths and histories are full of heroic murderers. As a kid you look up those Good Guys who are more effective purveyors of violence than the Bad Guys. And as Sailer noted, shooting the Bad in the back and suchlike strikes the murderous ten-year just fine. Furthermore, rape is the tactic of Wrangham's beta-orangutan. The truly high status shouldn't have to. No bragging points for physically besting a woman and raping her (although if Lisbeth whatever from Sweden gets revenge on her former torturers with a giant dildo, that's fine). Rape is also driven by base motives, previous example excepted you don't rape out of idealism.

Scott Adams on Charlie Sheen as man without inhibitions:
http://dilbert.com/blog/entry/charlie_sheen/

Nothing unites the seemingly un-unitable better than anomie, it seems! Interesting exchange.

Could the presumption of inherent value in the sexual act (whether that be "love" or "reproduction") play into the way rape is viewed at any point in time?

Thinking about it another way, the "reproduction" aspect might explain why marital rape was legally overlooked or shrugged off, a few generations back. After all, wouldn't any sex within marriage be deemed "good" sex, seeing as the whole bond was generally seen as a legitimization of procreation?

MRDA: Are you suggesting that rape is less a violation of the specific victim but a violation of whatever sacred or "love" value the act has to the audience of the story or observers of the crime?

I guess if the particular woman in question is a male audience member's wife, that audience member is probably not going to be any happier about raising the usurper's genetic children than he would be raising her lover's, and rape within marriage wouldn't screw up the socially-agreed-upon DNA spread. But still ... if it were one's own wife, assuming a reasonably happy marriage, I'd assume one would ultimately be unhappier if she were killed. Although maybe if you're in a domestic frame of mind that involves raping your wife, you're not going to be that upset if she dies.
And the proof is in the pudding, I suppose ... there are endless graphic murder scenes tolerated on TV and in the movies, but a graphic rape scene? I can't even think of one. Usually a woman or a boy just shows up at the police station already crying.

But now that I think about it, sometimes stabbings in the movies actually look a bit rapey. In a recent gorefest I saw about Roman soldiers lost behind enemy lines in ancient Britain, a deranged, perpetually grinning female native had been stalking and picking off the beleaguered Romans, and finally one of them stabbed her in the eye with the arrow she had just shot into his back. He had probably been thinking "fuck you in the eye, bitch!" for days.

Pardon my repugnant and incorrigible cinephelia, but Ann's Roman gorefest makes me think of two other scenes of violence that seem to have rape-ish overtones:

1) At the end of Full Metal Jacket, when the sniper who's killed a few American troops in the brigade turns out to be a young Vietnamese girl. She's lying helpless on the ground, begging the hero to shoot her. He does, in some presumably really gory way (we hear the gunshot, but don't see anything), which prompts the other troops to giggle, and one black guy to say admiringly, "That's fuckin' hardcore!"

2) When Ice-T kills the giant snake in "Anaconda," he smirks and mutters, "Bitch..."

@Ann:

"MRDA: Are you suggesting that rape is less a violation of the specific victim but a violation of whatever sacred or "love" value the act has to the audience of the story or observers of the crime?"

I'm speaking purely of the non-fiction world. The exceptionalism of importance (or non-importance) bestowed upon rape (in comparison to other crimes) may have something to do with the fact that people always seem to bestow some universal purpose onto fucking. Whether rape is seen as "no big deal" or "the worst possible thing that could happen" depends on the "sacred" value and conditions a given society endorses for copulation.

"In a recent gorefest I saw about Roman soldiers lost behind enemy lines in ancient Britain, a deranged, perpetually grinning female native had been stalking and picking off the beleaguered Romans, and finally one of them stabbed her in the eye with the arrow she had just shot into his back."

Centurion, I'm guessing? I really enjoyed that one! Kurylenko's performance as the feral Brit reminded me of Seema Biswas' take on Phoolan Devi in Bandit Queen; she exuded a savagely silent, smouldering sensuality, amidst all her bloodletting. Were the story told from her perspective, it would've been a rape 'n' revenge tale turned tragic.

BTW, I got your book: cheers for that! I look forward to reading it.


@Andy:

Wasn't the black guy in FMJ riddled with bullets, before they took down the sniper?

MRDA,
There were two black guys, I think. "8 Ball" was the victim of the sniper. The one who chuckled nastily after the protagonist wasted the girl is the same one whose motto was "Put a nigger behind a trigger."
And, speaking of two black guys, let me correct myself. It was Ice CUBE, not Ice T, who taunted the dead anaconda thusly.

Yep, Centurion. I had a blast watching that. The perspective of Roman imperialists as prey rather than predators was a refreshing twist on the usual sword-and-sandal formula. Sorta like an anti-Asterix. 'Cept not funny.

@Andy:

"The one who chuckled nastily after the protagonist wasted the girl is the same one whose motto was "Put a nigger behind a trigger."

That was EightBall's line; I think it was the last thing he said before the sniper started shooting. I noticed the other black bloke at the end of the sniper sequence, though I think the chuckler was one of the other guys.


@Ann:

"Sorta like an anti-Asterix. 'Cept not funny."

LOL! I like that (anti-)analogy!

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